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01/31/2017 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:32:44 PM Fy 18 Budget Overview: Department of Military and Veterans Affairs
01:58:19 PM Fy 18 Budget Overview: University of Alaska
02:58:15 PM Fy 18 Budget Overview: Department of Commerce, Community, and Economic Development
03:33:27 PM Adjourn
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 31, 2017                                                                                           
                         1:31 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:31:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Seaton  called the  House Finance Committee  meeting                                                                   
to order at 1:31 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Paul Seaton, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Les Gara, Vice-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Jason Grenn                                                                                                      
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Representative Lance Pruitt                                                                                                     
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
Representative Cathy Tilton                                                                                                     
Representative Tammie Wilson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Colonel  Robert  Doehl, Deputy  Commissioner,  Department  of                                                                   
Military  and   Veterans  Affairs;  Brian   Duffy,  Director,                                                                   
Administrative   Services,   Department   of   Military   and                                                                   
Veterans  Affairs;  Jim  Johnson,  President,  University  of                                                                   
Alaska;  Fred  Parady,  Deputy  Commissioner,  Department  of                                                                   
Commerce,  Community,  and  Economic  Development;  Catherine                                                                   
Reardon,  Director,  Division   of  Administrative  Services,                                                                   
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
FY 18 BUDGET OVERVIEWS:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS                                                                                
     UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA                                                                                                       
     DEPARTMENT   OF   COMMERCE,  COMMUNITY,   AND   ECONOMIC                                                                   
     DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Seaton discussed the meeting agenda.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^FY 18 BUDGET  OVERVIEW: DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY  AND VETERANS                                                                 
AFFAIRS                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:32:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Seaton  spoke to items  the committee would  like to                                                                   
hear about during the presentation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COLONEL  ROBERT  DOEHL, DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                   
MILITARY AND  VETERANS AFFAIRS (DMVA), provided  a PowerPoint                                                                   
presentation  titled   "FY2018  Department   Overview,  House                                                                   
Finance  Committee" dated  January 31,  2017 (copy on  file).                                                                   
He detailed that  DMVA included the Air National  Guard, Army                                                                   
National Guard,  the Alaska State  Defense Force,  the Alaska                                                                   
Naval  Militia,   the  Division  of  Homeland   Security  and                                                                   
Emergency    Management   (responsible    for    coordinating                                                                   
emergency services  and recovery  to communities in  times of                                                                   
disaster),  the  Alaska  Military Youth  Academy,  the  Youth                                                                   
Intervention   Program,  administrative   oversight  of   the                                                                   
Alaska   Aerospace    Corporation,   and   a    Division   of                                                                   
Administrative  Services.   The  department  had   270  state                                                                   
employees and  4,000 uniform  employees (guardsman  or Alaska                                                                   
State  Defense   Force  members).   The  department   heavily                                                                   
leveraged federal dollars to accomplish its mission.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:34:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN  DUFFY, DIRECTOR,  ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,  DEPARTMENT                                                                   
OF  MILITARY  AND VETERANS  AFFAIRS,  began  on slide  2  and                                                                   
addressed the department's mission:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Founded  in Alaska Statute  44.35.020, the  Department's                                                                   
     mission is  two-fold. First, to provide  military forces                                                                   
     to accomplish  tasks in  support of  the State  or, when                                                                   
     mobilized,   in   support   of  our   National   Command                                                                   
     Authorities.  Additionally, our  team provides  programs                                                                   
     and  services  associated  with  homeland  security  and                                                                   
     defense;    emergency   preparedness,    response,   and                                                                   
     recovery;  veteran  services; and  youth  military-style                                                                   
     training   and  education.   Further   details  on   our                                                                   
     mission,  vision,  core   values,  and  performance  are                                                                   
     available at the links shown on this slide.                                                                                
     As  a reminder,  the Department  oversees activities  of                                                                   
     eight main  divisions: The  Alaska National  Guard, both                                                                   
     Air  and  Army  Components;  the  Division  of  Homeland                                                                   
     Security  and   Emergency  Management,  the   Office  of                                                                   
     Veterans  Affairs, the  Alaska  Military Youth  Academy,                                                                   
     Alaska State  Defense Force,  Alaska Naval  Militia, and                                                                   
     our Division  of Administrative Services.  Additionally,                                                                   
     the  Department  provides  administrative  oversight  of                                                                   
     the Alaska Aerospace Corporation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Duffy turned to slide 3 and addressed a GF funding                                                                          
profile history for the department:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     By  way of  orientation,  all funding  amounts shown  on                                                                   
     this  slide are included  in the  totals at the  bottom,                                                                   
     with the  exception of the  yellow bars  which normalize                                                                   
     the  annual  amounts to  FY  16 constant  year  dollars.                                                                   
     Using that  approach, and  also discounting  the amounts                                                                   
     shown in  green, representing  GF formerly  allocated to                                                                   
     support   the   Alaska    Aerospace   Corporation,   the                                                                   
     Department's   overall   spending  power   declined   by                                                                   
     approximately 10 percent over the past 11 years.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Duffy addressed the department's share of total agency                                                                      
operations on slide 4:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     With  a submitted amount  for Fiscal  Year 2018  at just                                                                   
     over  $16.5 million,  the  Department's  share of  total                                                                   
     State GF remains  at less than one half  of one percent.                                                                   
     Significant  budget   changes  over  time   include  the                                                                   
     removal  of  all  GF  supporting  the  Alaska  Aerospace                                                                   
     Association effective  in Fiscal Year 16,  after several                                                                   
     years of  increases to  support on-going operations  and                                                                   
     maintenance activities.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Additionally,  in  FY  15,   $4.8  million  in  UGF  was                                                                   
     transferred from  the Department of Education  and Early                                                                   
     Development  to   support  the  Alaska   Military  Youth                                                                   
     Academy.  Furthermore,  please   note  this  slide  also                                                                   
     reflects lower  amounts of GF in each  year, as compared                                                                   
     to  previous years'  charts, as the  National Guard  and                                                                   
     Naval  Militia Retirement  System transferred  from DMVA                                                                   
     to the State  Retirement Payments line in FY  17, and as                                                                   
     such,  was removed  from all years  shown. Finally,  not                                                                   
     shown  on this  slide, but  certainly  worth noting,  is                                                                   
     our    ability    to    garner    significant    Federal                                                                   
     reimbursement  for  a relatively  small  investment...to                                                                   
     levels of  27:1 in Fiscal  Year 2015 and 38:1  in Fiscal                                                                   
     Year 2016, a 24 percent gain in Federal funding.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:37:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Duffy moved to slide 5 and addressed line items for all                                                                     
funds:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Broken  out by  line item  and looking  across all  fund                                                                   
     sources, we've  seen reductions in most  categories over                                                                   
     time.  In general,  our approach  to the current  fiscal                                                                   
     environment  consists  of  reducing  cost  and  reducing                                                                   
     services.  For  costs,  we've  restructured  our  Alaska                                                                   
     Military  Youth  Academy's  shift  schedules,  shrinking                                                                   
     overtime by  40 percent;  we've turned off  utilities at                                                                   
     vacant     armories;    adopted    regional     disaster                                                                   
     preparedness  conferences  to reduce  travel costs;  and                                                                   
     instituted   furloughs  on   our  top  executives.   For                                                                   
     services,  we   eliminated  production  of   our  award-                                                                   
     winning "Warriors"  magazine, held constant  our current                                                                   
     number of  Veterans Service  Officers and reduced  their                                                                   
     travel  statewide,  despite   a  growing  population  to                                                                   
     serve;  and  also  reduced   preventive  maintenance  at                                                                   
     National Guard facilities.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Duffy addressed appropriations for GF only on slide 6:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Looking  further  at our  Components,  this slide  again                                                                   
     highlights the  elimination of GF support  to the Alaska                                                                   
     Aerospace  Corporation, the  transfer of National  Guard                                                                   
     benefits out  of DMVA's portfolio,  and the  increase to                                                                   
     AMYA's  UGF   line  based  on  the  transfer   from  the                                                                   
     Department of Education and Early Development.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Duffy turned to slides 7 and spoke to appropriations                                                                        
for all funds:                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Similar  effects are  shown  on this  slide, looking  at                                                                   
     the combination of all fund sources over time.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Duffy moved to slide 8 and addressed total the total                                                                        
funding comparison by fund group for all funds:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Broken out  by fund group,  the increase in  years prior                                                                   
     to  2013, in  large  part,  supported the  176th  Wing's                                                                   
     relocation  to Joint  Base Elmendorf-Richardson;  again,                                                                   
     the  decrement  in  2013  is attributed  to  removal  of                                                                   
     federal  receipt  authority,  and further  decrement  in                                                                   
     2016 to  removal all GF  support, from Alaska  Aerospace                                                                   
     Corporation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:39:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Duffy spoke to slide 9 titled "Budgeted Position                                                                            
History":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     We wanted  to remind the  members of the  committee that                                                                   
     we've  seen an almost  20 percent  net reduction  in end                                                                   
     strength  over the  last  decade, with  the majority  of                                                                   
     that effect  in only the last three years.  However, not                                                                   
     all  reductions   resulted  in  decreases   in  personal                                                                   
     services  costs as  some were  simply clearing  unfunded                                                                   
     positions off the books.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Duffy moved to slides 10 and 11 and discussed                                                                               
allocation/program summary:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The  next series  of slides  provide additional  details                                                                   
     on  our   allocations  or   major  programs,   including                                                                   
     funding levels  and types, the  number of staff  we have                                                                   
     executing,  the  basis  for  their  existence,  be  they                                                                   
     driven   by  the  State's   Constitution,  the   Federal                                                                   
     Government,  or by State  Statute; and also  assessments                                                                   
     of their  importance to  mission and effectiveness.  Our                                                                   
     Department's  Mission  Statement   and  Key  Performance                                                                   
     Indicators  are the  main  basis for  these ratings  and                                                                   
     assessments.  For  example,  for our  Homeland  Security                                                                   
     and Emergency  Management team, we assessed  100 percent                                                                   
     of organized  boroughs responding effectively  to events                                                                   
     without State  Assistance, while also responding  to 100                                                                   
     percent  of the  requests  for emergency  assistance  we                                                                   
     did receive.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Similarly,  our  National  Guard end  strength  remained                                                                   
     steady  over  time  and   supportive  of  their  mission                                                                   
     needs,  we responded  to all search  and rescue  efforts                                                                   
     across  the  state  within three  hours  and  maintained                                                                   
     compliance  with  inspection  requirements.  Our  Alaska                                                                   
     Military  Youth Academy's  graduation rate continues  to                                                                   
     grow,  exceeding 80  percent  for both  fall and  spring                                                                   
     classes over  the last three  years; and 100  percent of                                                                   
     graduates  successfully transitioned  to in  employment,                                                                   
     follow-on education,  or military service  over the last                                                                   
     5 years.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:40:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Duffy continued  to address  allocation/program  summary                                                                   
on slide 12:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Additionally, our  Office of Veterans  Services provided                                                                   
     assistance  to more than  61,000 veterans,  active duty,                                                                   
     reserve   component   members,   and   family   members,                                                                   
     successfully  returning   more  than  $105   million  in                                                                   
     single  one-time  payments  owed…besting  the  last  two                                                                   
     years   combined.   The   ratings  of   "important"   on                                                                   
     importance to  mission for the Local  Emergency Planning                                                                   
     Committee   (on   slide   10)   and   Alaska   Aerospace                                                                   
     Corporation   elements,   as  shown   here,  are   worth                                                                   
     clarification  as  well.  The Local  Emergency  Planning                                                                   
     Committee   line   provides    funding   and   technical                                                                   
     assistance  to 21  entities  across the  state for  all-                                                                   
     hazard   response    emergency   operations    planning,                                                                   
     training,    exercise,    and   outreach    preparedness                                                                   
     education.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     While   it's   certainly   plausible   to   consider   a                                                                   
     centralized   approach  to   this   type  of   emergency                                                                   
     response,  the key  question is,  in time of  emergency,                                                                   
     often with  little to  no notice, can  you get  there in                                                                   
     time with a  trained and ready workforce,  to organize a                                                                   
     community in  crisis as they work to react  and recover;                                                                   
     whereas,  a trained and  ready force distributed  across                                                                   
     the  State,  can  certainly  simplify  matters  greatly.                                                                   
     Similarly,  while the  Alaska  Aerospace Corporation  is                                                                   
     aligned with  the DMVA for administrative  purposes only                                                                   
     and  not  necessarily  in  direct support  of  our  core                                                                   
     mission set,  it can and will provide  opportunity to be                                                                   
     revenue  generator  for the  State  as their  operations                                                                   
     continue.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:42:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Seaton referred  to slide  12 and  asked about  the                                                                   
role related  to the Alaska  Aerospace Corporation.  He asked                                                                   
if  it  would  be  better  served  under  the  Department  of                                                                   
Commerce,  Community  and  Economic  Development  (DCCED)  or                                                                   
other.  He  observed  that  the   department  had  given  the                                                                   
corporation an  "important" rating  and that it  contained no                                                                   
undesignated general funds (UGF) funding.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Doehl replied  that the  Alaska Aerospace  Corporation's                                                                   
statutory  mission was  to create  aerospace development  and                                                                   
activity   in  commerce  and   economic  diversification   in                                                                   
Alaska.  The department  assessed  the  corporation as  being                                                                   
important  to the  mission  of economic  diversification  and                                                                   
growth  for  Alaska.   He  noted  it  was  not   one  of  the                                                                   
department's  core missions. Originally  the corporation  had                                                                   
been  under DCCED  prior  to being  transferred  to DMVA  for                                                                   
administrative  oversight  purposes  only. From  an  economic                                                                   
development  standpoint,  the   corporation  appeared  to  be                                                                   
clearly in  the DCCED wheelhouse.  Conversely, 80  percent of                                                                   
the  corporation's  clientele   were  military  launches  who                                                                   
appreciated  working  with  a military  entity  with  similar                                                                   
understandings  of some  of their  requirements. He  remarked                                                                   
that he  could see both  sides of the  issue and  he believed                                                                   
in   the  long-term   as   commercial   took   more  of   the                                                                   
corporation's  portfolio, a  transfer of  the corporation  to                                                                   
another  agency  was appropriate.  He  did not  believe  that                                                                   
point   had  been   reached  yet.   He   detailed  that   the                                                                   
corporation's director  Craig Campbell or the  vice president                                                                   
would speak to  the finance subcommittee about  the issue. He                                                                   
noted that  during the  current week  there had been  another                                                                   
signing  of  a   launch  for  the  coming   fiscal  year.  He                                                                   
concluded that the subject was a moving target.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Seaton  asked  the  subcommittee  to  consider  the                                                                   
issue  related   to  costs.  He  asked  if   the  corporation                                                                   
reimbursed   the   department   for   administrative   costs.                                                                   
Alternatively,  he wondered  if  the costs  were absorbed  in                                                                   
the DMVA budget.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:45:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Doehl   answered   that   the   corporation   did   RSA                                                                   
[Reimbursable   Service  Agreement]   a   small  amount   for                                                                   
administrative   costs  incurred   by   DMVA;  however,   the                                                                   
corporation  did  the bulk  of  its finance,  budgeting,  and                                                                   
personnel functions  directly. He specified that  by in large                                                                   
the   public  corporation   was  distinct   from  DMVA.   The                                                                   
corporation  had  about $8.8  million  in contracts  for  the                                                                   
current  year,  which  covered  its  overhead  and  extensive                                                                   
construction and ramp up of activity in Kodiak.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz pointed  to  slide 11  and asked  about                                                                   
the Alaska  Military Youth  Academy (AMYA).  He asked  if the                                                                   
academy used half  of the department's funding.  He asked for                                                                   
detail about  how AMYA worked.  Additionally, he  wondered if                                                                   
the academy  was the only  source of youth military  training                                                                   
in Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Doehl replied  that AMYA was funded 60 percent  GF and 40                                                                   
percent federal  receipt authority from the  Federal National                                                                   
Guard Bureau. He  confirmed that the academy  was the largest                                                                   
portion of the  department's budget. The  department operated                                                                   
a  youth  intervention  program within  DMVA.  He  elaborated                                                                   
that the program  was the last credible hope  for high school                                                                   
dropouts  - there  was not  an alternative  program for  kids                                                                   
who were not finding success in the mainstream.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz observed there  were 450 cadets  in the                                                                   
program. He  surmised that students  did not  necessarily get                                                                   
into the  program  by choice,  but that it  sounded like  the                                                                   
academy was one of the last stops of opportunity.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Doehl replied  that  a cadet  could  not  be ordered  to                                                                   
participate  in the  program  by  a judge  in  lieu of  going                                                                   
McLaughlin [Youth  Center in Anchorage] or into  the Juvenile                                                                   
Justice Program.  The individual had to be  willing to attend                                                                   
the  program  on their  own.  He  detailed that  the  program                                                                   
consisted  of  a   five-month  in  residence   program  in  a                                                                   
military  style  setting  (the  first  two  weeks  were  like                                                                   
military  boot   camp)  followed  by  a  strict   regimen  of                                                                   
academic  study, community  service,  and physical  training.                                                                   
Subsequently,  there  was a  one-year  follow  up of  monthly                                                                   
check  ins with  a mentor  to  confirm they  were staying  on                                                                   
track.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:48:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  referred   to  Mr.  Doehl's  testimony                                                                   
about that AMYA graduates had a good job placement rate.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Doehl  answered  that  during  the  one-year  follow  up                                                                   
academy  mentors   checked  to  ensure  the   graduates  were                                                                   
staying  on  the  track  they  had  committed  to.  Prior  to                                                                   
leaving  the  resident  program, there  was  a  post-resident                                                                   
plan in  place for  each student. A  student could  return to                                                                   
their  resident  high  school   to  earn  enough  credits  to                                                                   
graduate or  go straight into union apprenticeship  programs.                                                                   
The  students  committed  to   following  through  on  a  set                                                                   
program,  which was  part of  the resident  phase wind  down.                                                                   
The  plan discussions  were currently  underway for  students                                                                   
set to graduate from the program on February 24 [2017].                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson remarked  that DMVA was  responsible                                                                   
for providing  emergency services  to communities.  He stated                                                                   
that with the  possible deployment of the  helicopter brigade                                                                   
out of  Fort Wainwright,  there would be  a shortfall  in the                                                                   
number   of  military   helicopters   available  for   rescue                                                                   
missions.  He asked  if  there  were functions  that  crossed                                                                   
with  DMVA and  the  military. He  was  concerned about  what                                                                   
would  happen  when the  brigade  was  deployed in  the  next                                                                   
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Doehl  answered  that  the  Rescue  Coordination  Center                                                                   
responsible for  deciding which asset would perform  a rescue                                                                   
mission  requiring  military  aircraft  or  aviation  related                                                                   
rescues was  operated by the  Alaska Air National  Guard, not                                                                   
by the  military. Most rescues  done in Alaska  (including by                                                                   
Fairbanks and  south of  the range) were  done by  the Alaska                                                                   
Air National  Guard and some by  the Army National  Guard and                                                                   
Coast Guard. The  Air National Guard and Army  National Guard                                                                   
would continue  to be on hand  to execute those  missions 365                                                                   
days per year.  The presence at Eielson Air  Force Base would                                                                   
continue to  be manned;  the HH60  helicopter was  located at                                                                   
Eielson  and   was  available   for  refueling   support  and                                                                   
additional guardian  angel pararescuemen for  the foreseeable                                                                   
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson  thanked   the  department  and  was                                                                   
appeased by the information.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  asked  if the  department  was  still                                                                   
able to get  the dropouts from all the school  districts. She                                                                   
knew it  had been  an issue several  years back  and wondered                                                                   
if the issue persisted.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Doehl  responded  that [AMYA]  Director  Bob  Roses  was                                                                   
working   with  the   Department  of   Education  and   Early                                                                   
Development  (DEED)   to  reach  out  to   districts.  School                                                                   
districts  passed along a  list of  high school dropouts  who                                                                   
AMYA may be appropriate for.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:52:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Grenn  shared  that  he could  speak  to  the                                                                   
success of  AMYA - he had  a family member graduate  from the                                                                   
program  19 years  back. He  thanked the  department for  the                                                                   
program. He  observed that 16  positions had  been eliminated                                                                   
from  AMYA  in FY  17.  He  elaborated  that  a total  of  62                                                                   
positions  had  been cut  from  the  department in  the  past                                                                   
three years.  He asked if  another program had  seen numerous                                                                   
positions  eliminated  or  whether the  remaining  cuts  were                                                                   
spread across the division.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Doehl    answered   the   department    would   welcome                                                                   
Representative Grenn's  family member to speak at  one of the                                                                   
upcoming  AMYA graduations.  He  detailed that  AMYA was  the                                                                   
department's   largest  program,   budget,   and  number   of                                                                   
positions,  and had  taken the  brunt of  the lost  positions                                                                   
(including  occupied positions).  He  noted  that the  Alaska                                                                   
Aerospace Corporation  had been substantially  downsized at a                                                                   
rate  that  was  probably  greater  than  AMYA.  Due  to  the                                                                   
current budget deficit  facing the state, the  department had                                                                   
gone  to  the  National  Guard   Bureau  to  learn  how  many                                                                   
positions  it  needed  to  retain   eligibility  for  federal                                                                   
reimbursement funding.  The answer had been 66  positions and                                                                   
1 spare. The department  had gone down to that  number and he                                                                   
shared  that Director  Roses had  done a  commendable job  in                                                                   
shift reform and  other practices to make it  work. He stated                                                                   
that  when   the  flu   went  around   there  were   numerous                                                                   
individuals  putting in  overtime,  but they  were making  it                                                                   
work.  The  program  was  currently   10  percent  above  its                                                                   
enrollment over the  preceding year with the  addition of the                                                                   
pre-apprenticeship program.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:54:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki spoke to  the capacity at  the youth                                                                   
academy. He asked  if the program capacity was  driven by the                                                                   
number of UGF funds, space, or teachers.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Doehl replied  there were  different tiers  or sizes  of                                                                   
programs they could  go to. The infrastructure  was available                                                                   
to  increase  the   program  size;  however,   the  need  for                                                                   
additional  staff   would  be  the  biggest   limitation.  He                                                                   
relayed that Director  Roses could follow up  on the question                                                                   
during  a  subcommittee   meeting  later  in   the  week.  He                                                                   
believed it  was 16 to 20  additional cadets.  The department                                                                   
believed  the current  program  size was  a nice  sustainable                                                                   
size.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair    Seaton   thanked    the   department    for   its                                                                   
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:55:45 PM                                                                                                                    
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^FY 18 BUDGET OVERVIEW: UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:58:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JIM  JOHNSON, PRESIDENT,  UNIVERSITY  OF  ALASKA, provided  a                                                                   
PowerPoint presentation  titled "FY18 Budget  Overview, House                                                                   
Finance  Committee" dated  January 31,  2017 (copy on  file).                                                                   
He planned to  share contextual remarks about  the change the                                                                   
University  was  undergoing  and leading.  He  addressed  the                                                                   
university's mission on slide 2:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The   University  of  Alaska   inspires  learning,   and                                                                   
     advances  and disseminates  knowledge through  teaching,                                                                   
     research,  and  public service,  emphasizing  the  North                                                                   
     and its diverse peoples.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson explained  the university's mission  had roots in                                                                   
the  Morrill Act  of 1862.  He detailed  that the  University                                                                   
was a  land, sea, and space  grant university -  missions the                                                                   
University  was   very  proud  of.  He  explained   that  the                                                                   
teaching,  research,  and  public service  mission  had  deep                                                                   
roots  in American  public  higher education.  He  elaborated                                                                   
that  there  was   commonness  with  all  other   land  grant                                                                   
universities  in the  country,  but uniqueness  reflected  in                                                                   
the  University's  focus on  the  north  and on  the  state's                                                                   
diverse  peoples.   He  believed  it  was  critical   that  a                                                                   
university respect  the diversity of  its people and  to hold                                                                   
high the diversity viewpoints.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Johnson  turned   to   slide   3  and   addressed   the                                                                   
constitution and  statutes pertaining to the  university. The                                                                   
University  was specifically  identified and  charged  in the                                                                   
Alaska  Constitution. He  noted that  100 years  ago in  May,                                                                   
the  territorial  legislature   had  established  the  Alaska                                                                   
Agricultural   College   and  the   School   of  Mines.   The                                                                   
University  of  Alaska  had  been  established  in  1935.  He                                                                   
acknowledged the  foresight of  the state's founders  as they                                                                   
began  creating a  university as  a way to  build the  state.                                                                   
The University  took that foresight  seriously every  day. He                                                                   
pointed  out  that  under  the  Alaska  Constitution  Article                                                                   
7(3), the  Board of Regents  "shall, in accordance  with law,                                                                   
formulate   policy  and   appoint   the   president  of   the                                                                   
university."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:01:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson  advanced to slide  4 and informed  the committee                                                                   
that  the  university's  mission  was  to  serve  the  entire                                                                   
state,  including  Ketchikan,   Kotzebue  and  everywhere  in                                                                   
between. He shared  that when he traveled outside  Alaska for                                                                   
meetings with  other university presidents he  explained that                                                                   
the University  touched the  Atlantic and  Pacific; it  had a                                                                   
broad  geographic distribution,  which  included campuses  in                                                                   
South Carolina,  Iowa, South Dakota, and Oklahoma.  The chart                                                                   
did not  reflect all  locations where  research was  underway                                                                   
across the  state. Additionally,  there were students  across                                                                   
the  state   participating  in  distance  education   and  e-                                                                   
learning   technology   degree   programs  from   the   major                                                                   
campuses.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson  spoke to an organization  chart on slide  5. The                                                                   
Board of  Regents appeared at  the top of the  chart followed                                                                   
by the  University president.  He reminded the  committee the                                                                   
university's  mission was  twofold. The  first was to  ensure                                                                   
the state's  needs for  higher education were  at the  top of                                                                   
everything  the University  did.  The second  was to  provide                                                                   
centralized,  cost-effective services  to  its campuses  (the                                                                   
three main  campuses were  represented at  the bottom  of the                                                                   
slide).  The  mission at  the  campuses  was to  provide  for                                                                   
regional, workforce,  and other  educational needs.  He noted                                                                   
that   each   of  the   universities   also   had   statewide                                                                   
responsibilities.  He  cited  nursing  at the  University  of                                                                   
Alaska  Anchorage  (UAA),  research   at  the  University  of                                                                   
Alaska  Fairbanks   (UAF),  and  teacher  education   at  the                                                                   
University of Alaska Southeast (UAS) as examples.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson spoke  briefly  to the  University's  three-part                                                                   
mission  on  slide 6,  which  included  student  instruction,                                                                   
research,  and service. He  moved to  program areas  on slide                                                                   
7.   He  pointed   to  the   student   instruction  row   and                                                                   
highlighted the $635  million total, which was  71 percent of                                                                   
the  department's total  budget. He  noted the  $1.00 UGF  to                                                                   
$2.45 non-UGF ratio.  He moved to the research  program area,                                                                   
which  accounted  for 21  percent  of  the total  budget.  He                                                                   
remarked  on  the  $1.00  UGF to  $5.40  non-UGF  ratio.  The                                                                   
service program area  made up 8 percent of  the total budget.                                                                   
The ratio  was $1.00 UGF to  $2.42 non-UGF. The  $325 million                                                                   
UGF  allocation   from  the  legislature  turned   into  $899                                                                   
million  total. He  did not  plan to  go into  detail on  the                                                                   
number   of  students   served,   publications,   high-demand                                                                   
degrees  produced,  and  Alaskans  touched  by  the  services                                                                   
provided by the University.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:04:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson spoke  to the  university's target  on slide  8.                                                                   
The University  was looking  out into  the future.  He shared                                                                   
that  by  2025,  65 percent  (25  percent  baccalaureate  and                                                                   
above and  40 percent  career technical  degree or  training)                                                                   
of Alaska  jobs were expected  to require some  postsecondary                                                                   
education   degree  certificate   or   license.  The   Alaska                                                                   
Commission  on  Postsecondary  Education (ACPE)  had  adopted                                                                   
the goal,  as had the University  Board of Regents.  The goal                                                                   
was  very similar  to one  in  other states  - they  realized                                                                   
that  to  be   economically  competitive  in   the  U.S.  and                                                                   
nationally  it was  important to  step up  the production  of                                                                   
top-quality talent.  The University's current  attainment was                                                                   
37  percent.  There  was  quite  a  gap  the  university  was                                                                   
striving to meet.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  spoke  to  developing  a  stronger  culture  of                                                                   
education in Alaska,  which was critically important  for the                                                                   
state's  future. He shared  that the  University was  working                                                                   
to  partner with  K-12  and employers  to  create an  aligned                                                                   
system  of education  and  employment,  which  fed back  into                                                                   
education  and student  success going  forward. He noted  the                                                                   
very high  correlation between  education and income,  health                                                                   
status,  and  civic  participation.   There  was  an  inverse                                                                   
relationship with health cost and corrections experience.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:06:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  addressed  measurable  goals on  slide  9.  The                                                                   
University sought  to broaden access to higher  education for                                                                   
Alaskans  by looking at  high school  graduates enrolling  at                                                                   
the University.  He stressed  that the  much larger  need was                                                                   
among Alaskans  who did  not graduate  from high school.  The                                                                   
University also  considered the  large group of  Alaskans who                                                                   
chose  not  to  pursue higher  education.  The  state  ranked                                                                   
number one  in the  country in  the percentage of  population                                                                   
with some  college and  no degree. He  explained that  it had                                                                   
been possible in  the economy over the past 40  years, but it                                                                   
would  be  a  difficult  condition   for  the  state  looking                                                                   
forward.  The goal  was  to reach  out  to  the large  market                                                                   
segment   to   help  individuals   advance   through   higher                                                                   
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson  continued to  address slide  9. He relayed  that                                                                   
the University would  continue to lead in research,  not only                                                                   
in research federal  agencies found it interesting  to invest                                                                   
in.  The University  placed  a  strong emphasis  on  research                                                                   
relevant to  Alaska (e.g.  the Alaska  Center for  Energy and                                                                   
Power,  Institute of  Social  and Economic  Research  (ISER),                                                                   
the Center for  Alaska Native Health Research,  the Institute                                                                   
of  Northern   Engineering,  and  the  Institute   of  Arctic                                                                   
Biology). The  University continued an emphasis  on workforce                                                                   
development. He  elaborated that the University  continued to                                                                   
produce  nurses, particularly  in  rural  Alaska. He  relayed                                                                   
that  the  state imported  70  percent  of the  new  teachers                                                                   
hired annually in  Alaska - producing only 30  percent of the                                                                   
state's  teachers  was  not  sustainable  for  the  long-term                                                                   
educational   system  in  Alaska.   He  mentioned   fisheries                                                                   
technicians,  process  technicians,  and individuals  in  the                                                                   
maritime  trades.  Looking  forward  to  the  creation  of  a                                                                   
knowledge  economy  in  Alaska   included  continued  efforts                                                                   
towards   IT  jobs   in   the  STEM   [science,   technology,                                                                   
engineering, and math] fields and other.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson spoke  to the  commitment  to alignment  between                                                                   
the  state's  K-12 system  and  the  university made  by  the                                                                   
University  Board   of  Regents   and  the  State   Board  of                                                                   
Education  (the two boards  had founded  a subcommittee).  He                                                                   
shared that he  and the commissioner met regularly  to ensure                                                                   
alignment  - it  would  take time,  but  there  was a  strong                                                                   
commitment.  The commissioner's  top  priority was  readiness                                                                   
for  work or  postsecondary education,  and the  University's                                                                   
top  priority   was  teacher  preparation   for  high-quality                                                                   
teachers  in   the  numbers  the   state  needed.   The  last                                                                   
measurable  goal on  slide 9  was to  diversify revenues  and                                                                   
moderate  reliance on  state  general funds.  The  University                                                                   
relied  heavily on  the legislature,  but  he believed  given                                                                   
the   state's  fiscal   situation,   its   reliance  on   the                                                                   
legislature  was too heavy.  The University  had developed  a                                                                   
long-term  financial  framework  approved  by  the  Board  of                                                                   
Regents, allowing  the University to moderate its  ask of the                                                                   
legislature. The  plan involved increasing  tuition gradually                                                                   
over time and relied on increasing enrollment over time.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:10:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson spoke  to  strategic pathways  on  slide 10.  He                                                                   
detailed  that one  year  earlier the  Board  of Regents  had                                                                   
approved the  structure (shown  on slide  10) as the  process                                                                   
it would  undergo to restructure  the University to  meet the                                                                   
state's  needs   for  higher   education  long-term   with  a                                                                   
shrinking  budget. The  structure  included the  University's                                                                   
mission, objective,  core principles,  and its strategy.  The                                                                   
structure also included  the three campuses and  their unique                                                                   
strengths to  the University  as a whole.  The bottom  of the                                                                   
structure  showed  the  common   foundation  for  the  entire                                                                   
university,  including general  education requirements  (e.g.                                                                   
teacher  education,  nursing  education,  and  Alaska  Native                                                                   
studies).  The  individual campuses  showed  specialty  areas                                                                   
based  on  strengths  of the  universities  where  redundancy                                                                   
could not be afforded.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson spoke  to initial outcomes/directions  of Phase 1                                                                   
of the strategic pathways process (slide 11):                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   · Consolidation of 3 research administration offices                                                                         
     into 1;                                                                                                                    
   · Consolidation of 3 procurement offices into 1;                                                                             
   · Consolidation of information technology (IT) functions                                                                     
     at each of the universities, with governance at                                                                            
     Statewide;                                                                                                                 
   · Collaboration and efficiencies between the two schools                                                                     
     of engineering;                                                                                                            
   · Collaboration between the UAA and UAF management and                                                                       
     business programs;                                                                                                         
   · Consolidation of the UAS management programs into the                                                                      
     School of Arts and Sciences;                                                                                               
   · Consolidation of three schools of education into one                                                                       
     at UAS, serving all of UA                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson elaborated  on  slide 11.  He  detailed that  20                                                                   
organizational  units had been  involved in  Phase 1  and had                                                                   
been  reduced to  14 (one-third  reduction in  the number  of                                                                   
units).  Phase 3  had been  kicked  off the  previous day  in                                                                   
Anchorage -  over 250 faculty,  staff, and community  members                                                                   
had been involved  in the process (thousands  of comments had                                                                   
been  submitted by  the public  and members  of the  academic                                                                   
community  to  the  Board  of Regents  in  the  process).  He                                                                   
relayed it  was a  major step forward  and was difficult.  He                                                                   
explained  that the  University's cycle  was generally  seven                                                                   
years.  The process  was moving  very quickly  - there  was a                                                                   
sense  of urgency  given the  state's  fiscal situation,  but                                                                   
they were trying  to balance involvement,  inclusiveness, and                                                                   
transparency   with  the   various   stakeholders  who   gave                                                                   
themselves  to   the  university   and  who  relied   on  the                                                                   
university for education.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:13:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson turned  to  a 10-year  glide  path framework  on                                                                   
slide 12. He explained  that the framework began  in FY 16 at                                                                   
the  GF allocation  of $350  and asked  where the  University                                                                   
should be  ten years out  in terms of  a reasonable  ask from                                                                   
the state. The  glide path benchmarked the  University to the                                                                   
national average  GF allocation  per student plus  additional                                                                   
funds  given for  Alaska's  geography and  a  cost of  living                                                                   
factor.  He pointed  to the total  of $312  million in  2025,                                                                   
which represented  a gradual  glidepath from current  funding                                                                   
levels  to  the  2025  funding  level.  It  would  require  a                                                                   
gradual  increase   in  tuition.  The  University's   current                                                                   
tuition was  0.84 of  the western  states' average;  the goal                                                                   
was  to  increase   it  to  1  by  2025.   He  stressed  that                                                                   
enrollment was key.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson explained  that business  as usual  in terms  of                                                                   
recruitment,  retention,  and  attainment of  students  would                                                                   
not make  the framework work.  He stressed the  importance of                                                                   
doing  new  things  in  terms  of  recruiting  and  retaining                                                                   
students,  including the  115,000 he  had mentioned  earlier.                                                                   
He underscored  making it convenient  for the  individuals to                                                                   
benefit   from   educational   programs   provided   by   the                                                                   
University. He  mentioned philanthropy and research  as well.                                                                   
He pointed  to the  red line on  slide 12, which  represented                                                                   
the  "hard  landing"  the  University   had  experienced  the                                                                   
previous year  and the  continuation of  the hard  landing at                                                                   
$325  million. The  governor's  proposal was  to continue  at                                                                   
$325 million; the  Board of Regent's proposal was  to move up                                                                   
to the $341 million figure to get back on the glide path.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:15:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson   spoke  to  slide   13  and  addressed   FY  18                                                                   
governor's  budget  highlights.  The governor's  request  was                                                                   
$325 million  UGF, a  reduction in  receipt authority,  and a                                                                   
tuition   increase.   He  complemented   students   who   had                                                                   
supported a  5 percent  tuition increase for  two years  in a                                                                   
row.  Additionally, students  in  engineering and  management                                                                   
at UAF and  UAA had voluntarily agreed to  tuition surcharges                                                                   
in order  to  ensure high-quality  education. The  governor's                                                                   
proposal   also  included   a  reduction   of  225   unfilled                                                                   
positions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson spoke  to FY 15 to FY 18 state  budget reductions                                                                   
on  slide 14.  The budget  had been  $375 million  in FY  15,                                                                   
$351 million in  FY 16, and $325 million in FY  17 and FY 18.                                                                   
The Board  of Regent's proposal  at $341 million  would still                                                                   
represent  a 10 percent  reduction from  FY 15. He  addressed                                                                   
budget reduction  impacts.  The University  had cut  over 900                                                                   
faculty  and staff positions  since FY  15. Numerous  faculty                                                                   
and  staff  had  seen schedules  reduced  from  full-time  to                                                                   
part-time and  faculty workloads  had increased. When  he had                                                                   
started  at the  University  there had  been  478 degree  and                                                                   
certificate programs;  at present  over 50 of  those programs                                                                   
had  been suspended  (with a  likelihood  of elimination)  or                                                                   
eliminated.   The  University   did   not   believe  it   was                                                                   
responsible to  admit additional  students if it  looked like                                                                   
a program  would be eliminated.  He stated that the  Board of                                                                   
Regents  was supportive  of the  effort. Additionally,  there                                                                   
were fewer sections and larger class sizes.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson  discussed administrative function  consolidation                                                                   
on   slide  15.   He  detailed   that  14   percent  of   the                                                                   
University's overall  GF had been  reduced and 29  percent of                                                                   
the  positions  statewide  had been  reduced.  Some  learning                                                                   
centers had  been closed throughout  the state and  there had                                                                   
been a  dramatic reduction in  faculty travel. He  noted that                                                                   
some of the  travel was done with restricted  research funds.                                                                   
He detailed that  while faculty and staff were  careful about                                                                   
the  travel  they took  on  restricted  funds, it  was  often                                                                   
required by grants  and contracts. However, UGF  travel funds                                                                   
had been seriously constrained.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  relayed that  there  had  been a  reduction  in                                                                   
research  faculty start-up/seed  money  availability -  money                                                                   
the  University used  to recruit  faculty (including  setting                                                                   
up  a lab  and  possibly  securing  them with  some  graduate                                                                   
students. He  explained that the economy  frequently operated                                                                   
in a  counter cyclical  way to  the rest  of the country.  As                                                                   
the   University  of   Alaska  was   losing  funding,   other                                                                   
universities  across  the country  were  increasing  funding.                                                                   
Additionally, the  University was the world leader  in Arctic                                                                   
research,  but  the  subject  had  become  popular  at  other                                                                   
universities,   which    was   increasing   the    level   of                                                                   
competition.  The University's  ability  to  compete in  that                                                                   
competitive  market   was  constrained  by   reduced  startup                                                                   
funds. The  University had negotiated  a $1 million  per year                                                                   
reduction  in  its  telecommunication  contract  -  it  would                                                                   
continue to  push on that  contract. The University  had over                                                                   
400 buildings across  the state and it was in  the process of                                                                   
consolidating  onto  its  campuses, getting  out  of  leases,                                                                   
selling  buildings,  and entering  discussions  with  private                                                                   
partners  on  renovation,  facility  maintenance,  and  other                                                                   
initiatives.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:20:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Johnson  shared   that   the  Board   of  Regents   had                                                                   
reallocated funds  to invest  in strategic priorities  (slide                                                                   
16) in order  to be positioned strong for  the state's future                                                                   
when emerging  from the  current financial challenges  facing                                                                   
the state. The  categories on slide 16  reflected initiatives                                                                   
in  the board's  budget  request, in  addition  to areas  the                                                                   
board  had  reallocated  to  the  previous  year.  Categories                                                                   
included  the recruitment  of  students (especially  students                                                                   
with  some college  and no  degree)  and expanding  localized                                                                   
programs and  retaining students.  He highlighted  "intrusive                                                                   
advising,"  which had been  successful  nationwide -  it used                                                                   
predictive data  analytics and intrusive advising.  He used a                                                                   
hypothetical example,  where data pointed to that  if someone                                                                   
showed up  late three  times, it was  likely they  would drop                                                                   
out. Under  intrusive advising,  the second  time the  person                                                                   
showed up  late, the school  would get  on them to  make sure                                                                   
they got to class.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Seaton remarked  facetiously  that he  may use  the                                                                   
method in committee.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson continued  addressing slide  16. The  University                                                                   
was  committed   to  excellence;  therefore,   it  wanted  to                                                                   
continue investing  in scholarship  opportunities  and honors                                                                   
college and to  bring top students in. The  board was working                                                                   
to expand  programs to  meet the state  workforce goal  of 65                                                                   
percent by  2025. He spoke  about facility maintenance  - the                                                                   
regents  had  reallocated  an   additional  $10  million  the                                                                   
previous  year.  He specified  that  the University  had  not                                                                   
received  any  money   in  the  capital  budget,   which  was                                                                   
typically the vehicle used to support facility maintenance.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson  spoke to  research and  stressed the  importance                                                                   
of  continuing  to  lead  in   Arctic  research  -  the  area                                                                   
represented  a major workforce  in Alaska  and a key  part of                                                                   
the state's  knowledge economy.  He relayed that  it enhanced                                                                   
the  quality of  learning in  classrooms and  in labs  across                                                                   
the  state. The  research contributed  to  problem solving  -                                                                   
work  at ISER  [Institute of  Social  and Economic  Research]                                                                   
and  ASAP [Alaska  Stand Alone  Pipeline]  was practical  and                                                                   
relevant  to Alaska.  He mentioned  economic development  and                                                                   
diversification.  He  noted  that  Silicon  Valley  and  tech                                                                   
companies  were located  in the California  Bay Area  because                                                                   
of  the close  proximity  to  Berkley, Stanford,  and  higher                                                                   
other  higher  education  institutions.  The  University  was                                                                   
happy  about  increases  in disclosures  and  patents  -  its                                                                   
budget request  included  funds to partner  with the  private                                                                   
sector  to  create  incubators  at  UAF,  UAA,  and  UAS.  He                                                                   
stressed  the  importance  of  a partnership  with  K-12.  He                                                                   
elaborated   that  the   preceding  year   the  regents   had                                                                   
reallocated  money to  support ANSEP  [Alaska Native  Science                                                                   
and Engineering  Program], teacher education,  the mentorship                                                                   
program  (a key  criterion  for  teacher success),  and  dual                                                                   
enrollment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:24:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson spoke  to slides  generated  by the  Legislative                                                                   
Finance  Division (LFD)  beginning  with slide  17. He  noted                                                                   
the  chart indicated  that the  University's  share of  total                                                                   
agency operations  had tailed off  a bit in recent  years. He                                                                   
moved  to a  bar  chart  on slide  18  and pointed  out  that                                                                   
personal  services and  services made  up 84  percent of  the                                                                   
University budget.  The largest expenditure year  had been FY                                                                   
14, which  had decreased substantially  in future  years. The                                                                   
largest single  area of reduction  was in personal  services.                                                                   
He noted  that the  miscellaneous line item  had gone  up due                                                                   
to  an   increase  in   debt  service   had  increased;   the                                                                   
university  had  the ability  to  bond  and  had done  so  to                                                                   
finish the  engineering building  in Fairbanks.  The facility                                                                   
would be  completed and operational  by the beginning  of the                                                                   
coming year.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:25:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson turned  to slide 19 showing the  GF appropriation                                                                   
over time.  He believed they were  close to a  long-term goal                                                                   
of the legislature,  which was a 50/50 split  between UGF and                                                                   
DGF.  Slide 20  reflected  all funds  -  the highest  funding                                                                   
year had been FY  15 and it had decreased to  $887 million in                                                                   
FY 18. He moved  to a total funding comparison  by fund group                                                                   
on  slide 21,  which  included  federal, other  state  funds,                                                                   
DGF, and UGF.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  liked the comments  about a  community being                                                                   
strengthened  by a  university because  it attracted  quality                                                                   
businesses  like Stanford  in  Palo Alto.  He referenced  Mr.                                                                   
Johnson's  testimony about  the average  per student  cost in                                                                   
western  states. He  asked if  it was  adjusted for  Alaska's                                                                   
higher  costs. For  example,  maybe the  number  was $100  in                                                                   
Oregon, but Alaska's costs were higher.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson corrected  that the information he  had discussed                                                                   
was the tuition  rate, not cost per student.  The information                                                                   
was  not  adjusted  by  inflation.  He  confirmed  that  some                                                                   
states in  the western  region had a  relatively low  cost of                                                                   
living, whereas others had a high cost of living.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster pointed  to  slide 15  and  asked about  the                                                                   
elimination of  900 jobs. He asked  if there had  been people                                                                   
in the eliminated positions.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson replied  that  most of  the  positions had  been                                                                   
filled. He would follow up with the data.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  stated  there  had  been  legislative                                                                   
intent language  in the budget  the previous year.  She asked                                                                   
if any of the  concerns had been addressed, such  as a report                                                                   
on the cost  of athletics and the amount charged  to students                                                                   
for the programs even when they did not participate.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson  answered in  the affirmative.  One of  the seven                                                                   
areas   in    phase   one    of   strategic   pathways    was                                                                   
intercollegiate  athletics. He  believed  the University  was                                                                   
still in the  process of replying to the formal  request from                                                                   
the committee.  He elaborated  that $13 million  GF (tuition,                                                                   
etcetera)   went  into  the   two  intercollegiate   athletic                                                                   
programs  and roughly  $3 million  from sponsorships,  ticket                                                                   
sales, etcetera.  The Board  of Regents  was concerned  about                                                                   
the issue,  but at the same  time, it wanted to  maintain the                                                                   
value  of  the athletic  programs  at  the two  campuses.  He                                                                   
remarked  that the  issue  was difficult  and  controversial.                                                                   
The  regents  decided   to  seek  a  waiver   from  the  NCAA                                                                   
[National  Collegiate   Athletic  Association]  -   one  team                                                                   
required  ten;  the  University  had  asked the  NCAA  for  a                                                                   
waiver  of the  ten-team  minimum  rule. He  elaborated  that                                                                   
there were 13  teams in Anchorage and 10 teams  in Fairbanks.                                                                   
The request  had been for  9 teams in  Anchorage and  8 teams                                                                   
in Fairbanks.  He noted that had  been the old  minimum rule.                                                                   
The NCAA  had declined to  consider the University's  request                                                                   
and had  told the it  to do what it  wanted and then  ask the                                                                   
organization  for   forgiveness.  The  challenge   with  that                                                                   
method  was  the   risk  of  sanctions  against   the  entire                                                                   
program;  the regents  had  decided not  to  incur the  risk.                                                                   
Alternatively, the  University was going out to  boosters and                                                                   
supporters  of athletic  programs who  had made their  voices                                                                   
loud and clear.  The goal was to increase  those donors share                                                                   
of financial support to the programs.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:30:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson did  not see graduation  rates  in the                                                                   
presentation.  She wondered  if  there had  been an  increase                                                                   
from  utilization  of  the  Alaska   Performance  Scholarship                                                                   
(APS).  The  previous  year  there   had  been  concern  that                                                                   
numerous  students  were  eligible, but  were  not  attending                                                                   
[the University].                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  answered  the  APS   and  the  Alaska  Scholars                                                                   
Program  had  improved  the  university's   graduation  rate.                                                                   
There was  currently a six-year  completion rate of  about 30                                                                   
percent at UAA  and UAS and about 45 percent  at UAF. Much of                                                                   
the  increase,  at  UAF  in  particular,  resulted  from  the                                                                   
scholarships.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  commended UAS  for  its program  that                                                                   
looked at  why people  dropped out  to try  to get  them back                                                                   
in.  She was  glad  to see  an  increase in  e-learning.  She                                                                   
asked  how  competitive  the   e-learning  program  was.  She                                                                   
referenced  Arizona and  New  Hampshire  as states  competing                                                                   
with Alaska for e-learning services.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson answered he would follow up.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki  spoke to  the  key indicators  from                                                                   
the  University  source  book. He  observed  that  graduation                                                                   
rates had  increased about  16 percent from  FY 10 to  FY 14.                                                                   
The same  Office of Management  and Budget indicators  showed                                                                   
an increase  of 13 percent when  including the past  year. He                                                                   
asked why  the numbers had fallen  from 32.2 percent  to 29.4                                                                   
percent in the past year.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson replied that he would follow up.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Kawasaki  stated   that  anyone   taking  in                                                                   
college  classes who  did not  take a  prerequisite class  in                                                                   
the  fall  in  their  second or  third  year  became  out  of                                                                   
sequence.  He pointed  to slide  15 and  asked if  graduation                                                                   
rates were impacted when fewer sections were taught.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  answered  that  it could.  He  noted  that  the                                                                   
University was  stepping up its  e-learning programs  to make                                                                   
sure there  was access  [to courses].  He shared that  around                                                                   
90 percent of  the University's graduates took  an e-learning                                                                   
course at some  point. He elaborated that half  of the credit                                                                   
hours  at UAS  came from  e-learning.  As classroom  sections                                                                   
were  decreased,  the  University  was  trying  its  best  to                                                                   
provide sections online at present and going forward.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:34:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki  pointed to  slide  12 and  remarked                                                                   
that  the  10-year  glide path  looked  steep.  He  mentioned                                                                   
adjusting for  inflation. He wanted  to see the plan  for the                                                                   
University's level  (not just state support).  He shared that                                                                   
he had attended  the University and he remarked  that the cut                                                                   
in  state  support  appeared  to be  radical.  He  wanted  to                                                                   
ensure the  funds were being made  up in other ways.  He knew                                                                   
students had been  doing a good job paying their  way, but he                                                                   
feared  the costs  to  attend the  University  at some  point                                                                   
became too high for most students.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  responded  that  the  information  was  in  the                                                                   
University's  financial framework;  it assumed that  business                                                                   
as  usual  would   not  suffice  in  terms   of  recruitment,                                                                   
retention,  and  attainment  of  students.  He  stressed  the                                                                   
importance  of driving  enrollment, which  would benefit  the                                                                   
University  financially  and to  meet the  state's  workforce                                                                   
goals.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Pruitt   commended  the  University   as  the                                                                   
legislature had  been pushing  aggressively in recent  years.                                                                   
He understood the  situation had not been  without challenges                                                                   
and internal  pressure. He  remarked that  there had  been no                                                                   
other instance of  a department telling the  legislature that                                                                   
it was planning  for less state money on a  gradual scale. He                                                                   
believed there  were only two universities  receiving general                                                                   
funds (including  the University of Alaska). He  asked if the                                                                   
university  had  the  mechanisms  and  ability  to  start  to                                                                   
supplant general  funds with  a donor  base, alumni  base, or                                                                   
other. Alternatively,  he wondered if the  legislature should                                                                   
anticipate  substantial  state  support beyond  2015  despite                                                                   
ways (i.e.  a land grant) the  state has attempted  to have a                                                                   
self-sustaining university.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:37:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson agreed  it had been a tough time.  He shared that                                                                   
the University  team had done  a tremendous job  doing things                                                                   
it  had  not had  to  do  in  many  years. In  terms  of  the                                                                   
university's  capacity to make  the model work,  philanthropy                                                                   
needed  to be part  of the  solution. He  detailed there  was                                                                   
tremendous  opportunity  to increase  alumni  support.  There                                                                   
was  a new  president  of  the University's  foundation;  the                                                                   
foundation was  in the early  stages of a long-term  campaign                                                                   
to  build  up  support  from  alumni  and  other  supporters.                                                                   
Research  was another area  that was  critically important  -                                                                   
he  noted it  had restricted  funding.  He characterized  the                                                                   
University  as a  land grant  university without  the land  -                                                                   
only Delaware had received a smaller land grant.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  relayed  that  he   had  considered  where  the                                                                   
University  would  be  at  present if  it  had  obtained  the                                                                   
360,000 acres it  should have received under  the Morrill Act                                                                   
as  opposed to  the 110,000  it had  received. He  questioned                                                                   
whether  the  University  would be  more  self-sustaining  as                                                                   
other  state   universities   had  been   able  to   do.  The                                                                   
University  would be talking  about the  issue as  a priority                                                                   
during the  current legislative  session. He noted  there was                                                                   
a constitutional  issue  about the  legislature's ability  to                                                                   
appropriate land  to the University; however,  the University                                                                   
had found  a path it believed  could succeed and it  would be                                                                   
working at  the federal level  to create a federal  framework                                                                   
the state  could contribute  land to. He  knew that  a number                                                                   
of  the committee  members  had been  in  the legislature  in                                                                   
2005 when the  state had granted land to the  University, but                                                                   
the  supreme  court had  determined  it  unconstitutional  in                                                                   
2009.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  noted  the federal  framework  would  not  show                                                                   
immediate results,  but it would  be part of the  solution 10                                                                   
to 20  years out.  The real  driver would  be enrollment.  He                                                                   
stated  that   Arizona  State   University  was   advertising                                                                   
constantly  in Alaska  because  there was  a  market. He  was                                                                   
tired of  hearing the  ads. He  hoped committee members  were                                                                   
hearing  some  of the  University  of  Alaska ads  that  were                                                                   
airing.  The  foundation  had  provided  private  funding  to                                                                   
support  a public  awareness campaign  to  drive interest  in                                                                   
higher  education   in  Alaska,   in  addition   to  targeted                                                                   
approaches to individuals with some college.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:40:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Pruitt  believed one of the ways  to encourage                                                                   
enrollment  was to  ensure  the ease  of  utilization of  the                                                                   
University.  Specifically,  the  University had  studied  the                                                                   
accreditation  of  the  entire University  was  possible.  He                                                                   
remarked there  had been  a feeling that  perhaps it  may not                                                                   
be the  direction at the  current time, although  it appeared                                                                   
it may be  possible in some  cases such as with  education at                                                                   
UAS. He  asked if there was  an effort to utilize  the method                                                                   
with some  of the  main programs. He  used a person  pursuing                                                                   
an engineering  degree in  Juneau as an  example -  there was                                                                   
an ability  for a student to  begin the degree in  Juneau and                                                                   
complete  it  at  UAF.  He asked  if  it  was  something  the                                                                   
university was able to do and encourage.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  answered  that   the  University  had  done  an                                                                   
accreditation study  and it had been considered  seriously by                                                                   
the  Board of  Regents. The  issue  had been  shelved at  the                                                                   
present time. There  was a view that much of  the benefits of                                                                   
consolidation  could  be  achieved without  going  after  the                                                                   
separate accreditations.  There were very few  systems in the                                                                   
country    operating    under    a    single    institutional                                                                   
accreditation. He  assured the committee that  the University                                                                   
stayed in  touch with accreditors.  He highlighted  that even                                                                   
in  phase one  of the  pathways process,  the University  had                                                                   
been   able   to   consolidate    research,   administration,                                                                   
procurement,   education,   and   other   areas   (all   were                                                                   
consistent  with  three  institutional   accreditations).  He                                                                   
believed  the   University  had  sufficient   freedom  within                                                                   
three,  but  the  regents  had  been  clear  that  the  study                                                                   
remained  an  option  at  some   point.  The  University  was                                                                   
working  hard within  the  three  accreditations  to get  the                                                                   
benefits  of  specialization   of  its  campuses,  to  reduce                                                                   
redundancy,  and   increase  consistency  of   processes  and                                                                   
general education requirements (e.g. calendars and forms).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:43:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz asked about  the consolidation  efforts                                                                   
in  the University's  education  program. He  shared that  he                                                                   
had been  a school teacher for  32 years prior to  becoming a                                                                   
legislator.  He had  worked  with different  students  coming                                                                   
out  of the  University's education  program.  He relayed  it                                                                   
had   been  a   positive   experience.   He  referenced   the                                                                   
consolidation  move. He referred  to Mr. Johnson's  testimony                                                                   
on the goal  of increasing the number of teachers  trained in                                                                   
Alaska  (currently the  number was  approximately 30  percent                                                                   
trained  in Alaska).  He wondered  if there  was a danger  of                                                                   
decreasing  the availability  of the  education training  for                                                                   
much of  the state  if the subject  was consolidated  to UAS.                                                                   
Consequently, he  wondered if the number of  teachers trained                                                                   
in Alaska would be reduced.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  replied that  the  plan  was  not to  move  any                                                                   
faculty  from  UAA  or  UAF;   it  was  simply  to  have  the                                                                   
administrative  leadership  of  a new  college  of  education                                                                   
based at  UAS. There would be  one dean instead of  three and                                                                   
one school of  education bureaucracy. The goal  was access in                                                                   
addition  to cost effectiveness  and quality.  The same  goal                                                                   
existed  for the  UAA nursing  program that  had faculty  and                                                                   
students across  the state. There  were many details  to work                                                                   
out in  terms of tuition sharing  and what programs  would be                                                                   
offered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  reported  there  were  currently  25  education                                                                   
degree programs  across the system. He questioned  whether 25                                                                   
programs were  necessary and surmised  the answer  was likely                                                                   
no.   The  University   was   developing   a  process,   with                                                                   
substantial  faculty  involvement,   to  review  the  issues.                                                                   
There  were issues  of accreditation  as  well. He  mentioned                                                                   
graduate degree  programs, research,  and etcetera.  The idea                                                                   
was to  make the  University's programs  available no  matter                                                                   
where  students   were  located.   There  was  a   successful                                                                   
distance delivery  program where  students came  to Southeast                                                                   
to do  short residencies (three  weeks for a  certificate and                                                                   
six weeks  for a master's in  teaching) with the rest  of the                                                                   
year involving  student teaching  and taking online  courses.                                                                   
He stressed that access was key.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson pointed  to slide  13 and asked  for                                                                   
information  on  the  reduction  of $17  million  in  receipt                                                                   
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  did  not  believe  it  had  an  impact  on  the                                                                   
University. He  relayed that the  University had  some excess                                                                   
receipt  authority.  He  continued  that  if  the  University                                                                   
ended  up with a  large research  grant that  may exceed  its                                                                   
receipt  authority  there  were  provisions  to  address  the                                                                   
issue with the legislature.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grenn  moved to slide 16 related  to strategic                                                                   
investment  priorities.  He  pointed to  words  like  "extend                                                                   
recruitment,"  "extend programs,"  "grow," and "sustain"  all                                                                   
in the face  of GF reductions  in recent years. He  turned to                                                                   
the University's  10-year plan  on slide  12 that  included a                                                                   
$16  million increase  over the  governor's proposed  budget.                                                                   
He asked  if it was  a springboard to  set the University  up                                                                   
for the decrease. He asked for detail.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:48:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson  answered that the  details were at a  high level                                                                   
on  slide 16.  He  believed about  $4.4  million  of the  $16                                                                   
million was in  recruiting and retaining students  and needs-                                                                   
based  aid. He  emphasized  driving  outreach  to students  -                                                                   
much  less   waiting  for   students  to   show  up   on  the                                                                   
University's  threshold.   He  continued  that   it  did  not                                                                   
necessarily mean  students moving  into dorms and  parking at                                                                   
campuses,  but  taking  programs   online.  He  stressed  the                                                                   
distinction  between  courses and  programs  -  the goal  was                                                                   
enrolling students  in programs of  value to students  in the                                                                   
workplace.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Seaton highlighted  areas for  the subcommittee  to                                                                   
address including  indirect expenditures. The  University had                                                                   
a senior  free tuition program,  which accounted for  over 10                                                                   
percent of  all courses in  some campuses. He  was interested                                                                   
to see where the  tuition load was offset. He  had heard that                                                                   
seniors attending  courses for free were more  likely to drop                                                                   
classes   which  ran   down  course   completion  rates.   He                                                                   
mentioned  education  tax  credits  of 100  percent  for  the                                                                   
second  $200,000. He  believed it  was probably  unacceptable                                                                   
to go  forward with redirection  of money. He wanted  to know                                                                   
the implication  for the University. Additionally,  the prior                                                                   
year  the legislature  had  identified  that cuts  should  be                                                                   
made  to  non-core  items.  He  referenced  the  University's                                                                   
mission  and surmised  that if  cuts  were made,  it did  not                                                                   
appear  that  intercollegiate  sports  were included  in  the                                                                   
mission.  He asked  if students  had been  made aware  of the                                                                   
amount  of  mandatory  fees  they  were  paying  and  whether                                                                   
students had voted  on their willingness to pay  the fees and                                                                   
$13 million directed to the program.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Gara remarked that  some high-profile  professors                                                                   
had  left the  University who  had said  they did  not see  a                                                                   
commitment  to   the  University.  He  referenced   Professor                                                                   
[Frank] von Hippel  who had written an op ed.  He asked if it                                                                   
was a  significant issue  for the  University and  whether it                                                                   
was impacting Alaska student interest.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson knew  of a few cases, but he had  not seen a fast                                                                   
rush  to  the doors.  There  may  be  personal  circumstances                                                                   
involved as  well as professional  circumstances. He  was not                                                                   
aware of  any of that. He  relayed that morale  was currently                                                                   
challenged  within  the  university,  which  impacted  public                                                                   
support. He elaborated  that it took seven  positive messages                                                                   
to   overcome  one   negative  message.   He  believed   that                                                                   
continuing  to focus  positively  on the  future and  growing                                                                   
the University would  get it through the rough  patch. He was                                                                   
confident that individuals  who were committed  to Alaska and                                                                   
it success would stick it out.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:52:54 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:58:15 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^FY 18  BUDGET OVERVIEW:  DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE,  COMMUNITY,                                                                 
AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:58:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Seaton welcomed the commissioner.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
FRED  PARADY, DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF  COMMERCE,                                                                   
COMMUNITY,  AND ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT  (DCCED), relayed  that                                                                   
Commissioner  Hladick  was  in   Washington,  D.C.  attending                                                                   
hearings on  the Affordable Care  Act (ACA) and  working with                                                                   
Senator Lisa  Murkowski in the  Health, Education,  and Labor                                                                   
Pension  Committee.   He  introduced  department   staff.  He                                                                   
provided  a  PowerPoint presentation  titled  "Department  of                                                                   
Commerce,  Community  and  Economic  Development,  Department                                                                   
Overview to  the House Finance  Committee" dated  January 31,                                                                   
2017 (copy  on file).  He reviewed  the department's  mission                                                                   
to  promote  a  healthy  economy,   strong  communities,  and                                                                   
protect consumers across Alaska.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Parady remarked  on the  diversity  of the  department's                                                                   
work.  For example,  DCCED licensed  a  gamut of  professions                                                                   
including    doctors,    pawn     brokers,    acupuncturists,                                                                   
veterinarians,  midwives,  and   morticians.  The  department                                                                   
trained  rural  residents  to maintain  their  local  utility                                                                   
systems;  financed a  wide range  of infrastructure  projects                                                                   
through Alaska  Industrial Development  and Export  Authority                                                                   
(AIDEA) or  the grant  program in  the Division of  Community                                                                   
and Regional  Affairs (DCRA);  loaned fishermen money  to buy                                                                   
boats;  and   worked  to  hold   down  the  cost   of  health                                                                   
insurance. The  department had  a broad ranging  mission, but                                                                   
together  the activities  created  a framework  for a  strong                                                                   
economy.  The  department accomplished  its  mission  through                                                                   
its  agencies and  focused on  consumer protection,  economic                                                                   
growth, affordable energy, and strong communities.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Parady addressed  an organizational  chart  on slide  3.                                                                   
The  blue boxes  represented the  department's key  divisions                                                                   
including  the  Division  of   Administrative  Services;  the                                                                   
Division  of   Banking  and   Securities;  the   Division  of                                                                   
Community   and    Regional   Affairs;   the    Division   of                                                                   
Corporations,    Business    and    Professional    Licensing                                                                   
responsible  for  licensing  approximately  210,000  entities                                                                   
(one-third  business,  one-third   corporate,  and  one-third                                                                   
professions); the  Division of Economic Development;  and the                                                                   
Division of Insurance.  The bottom of the slide  included the                                                                   
department's six corporate entities.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:01:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Parady continued  to address  an  organization chart  on                                                                   
slide 3.  The corporate entities  included the  Alaska Energy                                                                   
Authority  (AEA);  AIDEA;  the   Alaska  Gasline  Development                                                                   
Corporation  (AGDC); the Alaska  Seafood Marketing  Institute                                                                   
(ASMI);  the Alcohol and  Marijuana Control  Office;  and the                                                                   
Regulatory  Commission   of  Alaska   (RCA).  He   noted  the                                                                   
entities were  represented with  a dotted  line on  the chart                                                                   
because they  were each  controlled by  a board appointed  by                                                                   
the governor and confirmed by the legislature.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parady  turned to  a LFD  chart on  slide 4 and  directed                                                                   
attention  to the  language in  a red  textbox. He  explained                                                                   
that  DCCED operations  were slightly  below  2008 levels  if                                                                   
the   following   programs   were   excluded:   $55   million                                                                   
appropriation  to  the  Reinsurance  Program  the  past  June                                                                   
[2016] in  Alaska Comprehensive Health Insurance  Association                                                                   
(ACHIA)  and   a  Power  Cost  Equalization   (PCE)  increase                                                                   
estimated  at $12.5 million  since FY  08. He explained  that                                                                   
the  ACHIA appropriation  had  occurred the  past session  to                                                                   
stabilize  the   individual  Alaskan  insurance   market.  He                                                                   
detailed   there  were   23,000  Alaskans   insured  in   the                                                                   
individual  market  and roughly  two-thirds  were  subsidized                                                                   
under  ACA.  The  one-third  not   covered  by  the  ACA  had                                                                   
insurance    rates    exceeding    their    mortgages.    The                                                                   
appropriation   successfully    stabilized   the   individual                                                                   
market,  which  was  down  to   one  carrier,  and  the  rate                                                                   
increases  were 7.3  percent instead  of  the anticipated  42                                                                   
percent.  He  acknowledged  that   it  would  be  an  ongoing                                                                   
subject of discussion during the current session.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CATHERINE  REARDON,  DIRECTOR,   DIVISION  OF  ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                   
SERVICES,  DEPARTMENT  OF COMMERCE,  COMMUNITY  AND  ECONOMIC                                                                   
DEVELOPMENT,  addressed   slide  4.  The  chart   showed  the                                                                   
department's total  GF (UGF and DGF) over  a ten-year period.                                                                   
She detailed that  DGF included license fees,  which entirely                                                                   
fund  most  of  the  department's  regulatory  agencies.  She                                                                   
continued that  PCE payments,  revolving loan funds,  and the                                                                   
Reinsurance   Program   were   among   other   sources.   The                                                                   
department had seen  the most dramatic UGF  reductions of any                                                                   
department  with a  drop  of 71  percent  since  FY 15,  from                                                                   
$40.5 million to  $11 million in the current  budget request.                                                                   
The far right two columns reflected almost entirely DGF.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  pointed to a  note on the left  of the                                                                   
slide pertaining  to $4 million for QTA contracts.  She asked                                                                   
what a QTA contract was.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Reardon  answered  that it  stood  for  Qualified  Trade                                                                   
Association;  the  $4  million  was  for  the  Alaska  Travel                                                                   
Industry Association  (ATIA) tourism  contract. She  moved to                                                                   
a breakout of  the department's budget by line  item on slide                                                                   
5, which showed  where significant changes had  occurred over                                                                   
the  past decade.  While  there  was some  personal  services                                                                   
growth, most  was attributable to  inflation and the  cost of                                                                   
doing   business.  The   department  had   been  assigned   a                                                                   
significant number  of new duties since FY  08, including the                                                                   
addition of  AGDC, which  accounted for  26 of the  positions                                                                   
in the  FY 18  budget; the Alcoholic  Beverage Control  (ABC)                                                                   
Board, which  had become  the Alcohol  and Marijuana  Control                                                                   
Office (AMCO),  came to  DCCED in 2013  and accounted  for 21                                                                   
positions at present;  the department had five  new licensing                                                                   
programs and  new licensing responsibilities as  well. Growth                                                                   
in the  new program  areas had been  offset by reductions  in                                                                   
PCNs  in other  areas;  therefore,  the department  had  been                                                                   
able to  hold to a net decrease  of one position  since 2008,                                                                   
despite the new programs it had taken on.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Reardon relayed  that the  grants line  was the  largest                                                                   
item  in  the  FY 18,  which  primarily  consisted  of  three                                                                   
areas: $55 million  for the Reinsurance Program  that started                                                                   
in FY  17, $37.8  million for  PCE in FY  18 (the  number had                                                                   
been $26.7  million in FY 08),  and $14.1 million  in revenue                                                                   
sharing  through  the  national forest  receipts  payment  in                                                                   
lieu of  taxes and  fisheries taxes  programs. The  community                                                                   
assistance  program  was  administered   by  DCCED,  but  not                                                                   
reflected  in  the  budget  because  it  was  funded  through                                                                   
statutory language.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:06:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon  turned to slide 6  and continued to  address LFD                                                                   
charts. The  chart illustrated  that DCCED had  seen numerous                                                                   
program changes  and special projects  over the  past decade.                                                                   
The  agency  was   dynamic  with  many  different   areas  of                                                                   
expertise. She  highlighted the  green line representing  PCE                                                                   
estimate, which  was currently $37.8  million for FY  18. The                                                                   
black  line reflected  the  Division of  Insurance's  budget,                                                                   
which  was  consistent  until  FY  17  when  the  Reinsurance                                                                   
Program  had  been added.  The  spike  in  the red  line  was                                                                   
reflective  of the AGDC  implementation.  She relayed  that a                                                                   
one-time  UGF appropriation  had been  made for AGDC  startup                                                                   
[in  FY  11].  She detailed  that  initially  AGDC  had  been                                                                   
housed under  the Alaska  Housing Finance Corporation  (AHFC)                                                                   
and had been transferred to DCCED in FY 14.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon  continued to  address slide  6. The orange  line                                                                   
represented  ASMI; in  FY  15 ASMI's  fish  tax receipts  had                                                                   
been reclassified  from GF to  "other" funds to  reflect that                                                                   
they  were  collected for  a  specific  purpose and  did  not                                                                   
intermingle  with GF. Since  FY 15,  ASMI's UGF had  declined                                                                   
significantly.  The organization only  had $1 million  in the                                                                   
FY  18 budget,  which it  would  use to  match a  competitive                                                                   
federal grant  application for  international marketing.  The                                                                   
purple  line for  the Division  of  Economic Development  and                                                                   
the  teal  line  for  Tourism  Marketing  were  related.  She                                                                   
expounded  in 2016  tourism  funds had  been  moved from  the                                                                   
Division  of   Economic  Development  budget   to  their  own                                                                   
appropriation  for easier  tracking.  There  were no  tourism                                                                   
marketing  funds  in the  proposed  FY 18  operating  budget;                                                                   
however,  there were  $3 million  in  one-time capital  funds                                                                   
($1.650 million in vehicle rental taxes and $1.350 UGF).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:09:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Reardon  moved   to  a   chart  on   slide  7   showing                                                                   
appropriations  within DCCED  (all  funds). The  bulk of  the                                                                   
department's  programs  were   small  and  steady  along  the                                                                   
bottom  of  the  chart,  with  outliers  she  had  spoken  to                                                                   
appearing in the middle and top of the chart.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg observed  that LFD  must have  had                                                                   
fun developing the slides for DCCED.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:10:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Reardon   moved  to  slide   8.  She  pointed   out  the                                                                   
department had a  large number of statutes - too  many to fit                                                                   
by  number in  the  right column.  The  statute numbers  were                                                                   
available online  as part of  each division's  budget packet.                                                                   
Slide 8 included  the Commissioner's Office, the  Division of                                                                   
Administrative   Services,  and   the  state  facility   rent                                                                   
components.  The  state  facility  rent  component  paid  for                                                                   
department  office   space  in  state-owned   buildings.  The                                                                   
number  did  not  reflect  the  department's  total  cost  of                                                                   
office  space,  but it  was  where  lease costs  were  billed                                                                   
first.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Reardon  communicated  that   the  department  had  been                                                                   
making  concerted  effort  to contract  and  consolidate  its                                                                   
space to  reduce costs  and allow  agencies to better  manage                                                                   
budget reductions.  The department was contracting  in Juneau                                                                   
onto  the  9th floor  of  the  State Office  Building  (SOB),                                                                   
which had  been DCCED for the  past 25 years;  the department                                                                   
was  trying to  move  back into  that  footprint.  In FY  15,                                                                   
DCCED had saved  7,000 square feet by moving  the Division of                                                                   
Banking,  the Division  of  Community  and Regional  Affairs,                                                                   
and alcohol licensing  from external space to the  SOB. In FY                                                                   
17, the Division  of Economic Development was  moving from an                                                                   
8,000  square foot  leased space  in the valley  to the  SOB.                                                                   
The  department  was also  working  to consolidate  into  its                                                                   
existing  space  in Anchorage.  She  detailed  that when  the                                                                   
department  had taken on  the ABC  Board/AMCO it had  brought                                                                   
the agency  from offsite into  the existing footprint  in the                                                                   
Atwood Building.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon spoke  about the Banking and  Securities Division                                                                   
on slide 9.  The division was part of the  department's focus                                                                   
on  consumer   protection.  In  addition  to   ensuring  that                                                                   
financial  services were  secure and  fair, the  department's                                                                   
consumer  protection agencies  helped set  the level  playing                                                                   
field  required   for  a   successful  Alaska  economy.   The                                                                   
division  was completely  funded by fees  and it  contributed                                                                   
$12.6  million to  GF.  She pointed  to  an  asterisk at  the                                                                   
bottom  of the  slide and  relayed that  most DCCED  agencies                                                                   
were a  single RDU [Results Delivery  Unit] and had  a single                                                                   
component.  She   explained  that   the  slides   provided  a                                                                   
breakdown  of division subprograms;  however, the  department                                                                   
was  not  budgeted  in  that   way.  Therefore,  the  funding                                                                   
provided on the slides was an estimate.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:13:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon moved  to slide 10 and addressed  the Division of                                                                   
Community  and Regional  Affairs. The  division had two  RDUs                                                                   
and offered extensive  and varied services. The  division was                                                                   
a  constitutionally required  function.  Article 10,  Section                                                                   
14  of the  constitution identified  that there  would be  an                                                                   
agency   to    advise   and    assist   local    governments.                                                                   
Additionally,  the Local Boundary  Commission was  created in                                                                   
Article  10,  Section  12.  She turned  to  the  Division  of                                                                   
Corporations,  Business,  and Professional  Licensing  (CBPL)                                                                   
Division  had been highlighted  by Mr.  Parady. The  division                                                                   
had  three primary  functions  including business  licensing,                                                                   
registering  corporations,  and professional  licensing.  The                                                                   
slide  included  a  list of  the  43  professional  licensing                                                                   
programs   responsible  for   licensing  70,000   individuals                                                                   
(primarily Alaskans).  She noted that professional  licensing                                                                   
paid for  itself and carried  forward revenue  collected from                                                                   
regulated professions  year-to-year. Business,  Licensing and                                                                   
Corporations  was  also self-sufficient  and  contributed  $7                                                                   
million to GF above and beyond the costs of regulation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon moved  to slide 12 and relayed  that the Division                                                                   
of  Economic   Development  had   two  RDUs  reflecting   two                                                                   
distinct  activities.  The first  was  economic  development,                                                                   
responsible for  economic growth.  The component had  lost 64                                                                   
percent of  its UGF over  the past two  years and  had shrunk                                                                   
from  13 employees  to  5. The  staff  was  focused in  areas                                                                   
where it  could have  a meaningful  impact and spur  economic                                                                   
growth.  There  was  a  comprehensive   economic  development                                                                   
strategy  being developed  with  regions, local  communities,                                                                   
and the private  sector. The division used  funds to leverage                                                                   
federal funds for  state trade expansion programs  and timber                                                                   
development  and focusing  on developing  value added  export                                                                   
industries  (products  manufactured   in  and  exported  from                                                                   
Alaska). The  second was  investments, which encompassed  the                                                                   
department's revolving  loan funds  listed on the  slide. She                                                                   
noted that the  administrative costs were funded  entirely by                                                                   
the loan funds.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:17:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon  highlighted the Division  of Insurance  on slide                                                                   
13. The  division was entirely  fee funded. Additionally,  it                                                                   
contributed $5.696  million to GF  in FY 16 and  provided $55                                                                   
million  in  insurance  premium  taxes for  the  Health  Care                                                                   
Reinsurance   Program.  The   division   had  issued   35,000                                                                   
licenses  and admitted  10 new  insurers in  FY 16;  however,                                                                   
none of  the new  insurers were  in the  healthcare market  -                                                                   
there was currently only one insurer in healthcare.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon  discussed  AMCO on  slide 14.  The office  had a                                                                   
single  RDU responsible  for licensing  and enforcement.  The                                                                   
slide   showed   detailed   information    on   funding   and                                                                   
expenditures  broken  out  by alcohol  and  marijuana.  There                                                                   
were nearly  2,000 active liquor  licenses; at  present there                                                                   
were 48  operational marijuana  licenses and 700  permits had                                                                   
been issued.  Beginning in FY 17  the office had a  new local                                                                   
government  specialist  position responsible  for  developing                                                                   
educational   materials   to   aid   local   governments   in                                                                   
understanding  their rights and  obligations when  an alcohol                                                                   
or marijuana application  was made. The marijuana  portion of                                                                   
the agency  was on  track to  be financially  self-sufficient                                                                   
by  2020,  which   had  been  the  department's   plan  since                                                                   
marijuana  regulation occurred  through  the initiative.  The                                                                   
department  had  been  replacing  GF  support  (approximately                                                                   
one-third  each  year);  therefore,  in  FY 18  there  was  a                                                                   
decrease  of about $500,000  from the  original $1.5  million                                                                   
allocation.  The  department   anticipated  another  $500,000                                                                   
decrease in UGF  in FY 19 and self-sufficiency  in FY 20. She                                                                   
qualified  that  the  department was  only  forecasting  what                                                                   
would happen in  the new industry. She added  that DCCED took                                                                   
the intent that AMCO would pay its own costs seriously.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Parady provided  an updated  number  of marijuana  taxes                                                                   
received  reported by  DOR: $10,400  in  October, $81,000  in                                                                   
November, and $145,800  in December. The taxes  were trending                                                                   
in a positive revenue direction.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Reardon added  that the  [tax] funds  were collected  by                                                                   
DOR  versus fees  collected  by  DCCED. The  legislature  had                                                                   
designated how  the tax  funds would be  used. She  turned to                                                                   
slide 15  pertaining to Allied  Corporations (in  addition to                                                                   
AMCO).  There  was very  little  UGF  funding apart  from  $1                                                                   
million for ASMI  and funds for AEA for its  work maintaining                                                                   
power to rural Alaska and other communities.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:21:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parady communicated  the department's priorities  for the                                                                   
coming year.  The department's  priorities for  FY 17  and FY                                                                   
18 were  to sustain services  to communities.  He underscored                                                                   
that  it was  essential  to  sustain  the operations  in  the                                                                   
Division  of  Community  and  Regional  Affairs  and  AEA  to                                                                   
support  Alaska's  rural  communities.  He  believed  it  was                                                                   
evident  to the  department and  legislators  that rural  and                                                                   
urban  Alaska needed  to be  healthy to  support each  other.                                                                   
The  department sought  to  maintain revenue  generating  and                                                                   
self-funded  programs   at  current  levels  of   service  to                                                                   
provide  services   to  the  users   paying  for   them.  The                                                                   
department   ensured  consistent   and  safe  regulation   of                                                                   
Alaska's industries;  DCCED had contributed over  $26 million                                                                   
to the  GF in FY  16. The department  also sought  to provide                                                                   
stability  to the  insurance market  that  was continuing  to                                                                   
succeed with the Alaska Reinsurance Program.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parady  relayed that DCCED  had submitted a  Section 1332                                                                   
waiver under  the Affordable  Care Act.  The legislature  had                                                                   
directed  and given  the department  the authority  to do  so                                                                   
when it  made the $55  million reinsurance appropriation  the                                                                   
past June. He  elaborated that it was a  200-page application                                                                   
backed  by a  set of  actuarial studies.  The department  had                                                                   
told  the federal  government  that Alaska  had  moved a  $55                                                                   
million appropriation  to stabilize the  individual insurance                                                                   
market.  Two-thirds   or  23,000  of  the   individuals  were                                                                   
federally  subsidized  and  one-third  were not.  He  relayed                                                                   
that holding  the rate  increase to  7.2 percent (instead  of                                                                   
42  percent) for  the  two-thirds  who were  subsidized  kept                                                                   
federal  costs down. The  department was  asking the  federal                                                                   
government to return  the money to Alaska to  offset the cost                                                                   
of the program.  The application had been deemed  complete on                                                                   
January  17  [2017]  and  was in  a  30-day  federal  comment                                                                   
period  and   180-day  federal  decision  period.   With  the                                                                   
transition  in  the  federal   administration  and  questions                                                                   
surrounding  the   Affordable  Care  Act,  the   outcome  was                                                                   
unclear. The department  had been in contact  with transition                                                                   
officials   who  had   indicated  the   concept  was   viewed                                                                   
favorably  and that  it was  a  key idea  for moving  forward                                                                   
nationwide  in terms  of  stabilizing  insurance and  dealing                                                                   
with  some unintended  consequences  of  the Affordable  Care                                                                   
Act.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parady  relayed that the  department's last  priority for                                                                   
the  coming  fiscal  year  was to  continue  to  ensure  that                                                                   
marijuana  was safely  and effectively  regulated in  Alaska.                                                                   
He  detailed that  marijuana licensing  was  ongoing and  was                                                                   
generating revenue.  He noted that the state had  gone from a                                                                   
citizen-backed   initiative  to   legalize  marijuana   to  a                                                                   
functioning regulatory  framework in the past  18 months. The                                                                   
department  had provided  the first licenses  and opened  the                                                                   
doors to new businesses with efficiency and alacrity.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:24:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Seaton  stated that one  of the responsibilities  of                                                                   
the   budget   subcommittee   was   to   look   at   indirect                                                                   
expenditures.   He   asked   the    department   to   present                                                                   
suggestions  for things  like  statutory fees  that were  not                                                                   
adequate to collect  from businesses. He asked  to hear about                                                                   
a potential move  to allow a business owner  to have multiple                                                                   
businesses  under   one  business   licenses  and   what  the                                                                   
department  was   anticipating  as   a  loss  in   associated                                                                   
business license fees.  He also wanted to hear  whether a fee                                                                   
change  was needed  per license.  The  subcommittee would  be                                                                   
working with  the policy committee.  He asked  the department                                                                   
to provide potential options to the subcommittee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki referred to  slide 10 and  asked the                                                                   
department to follow  up with a breakout of  the fund sources                                                                   
(i.e. UGF, DGF, other, and federal).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Seaton asked for clarification.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki  noted that slide 11 provided  a more                                                                   
detailed  breakout  of  the  funding  source.  He  could  not                                                                   
determine the funding split on slide 10.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon  pointed to  the top  row of  slide 10  under the                                                                   
"Constitutionally  Required" column.  She explained  that the                                                                   
department  did not  actually fund  by program  - there  were                                                                   
not   components   or  allocations   under   the   individual                                                                   
programs.  She  explained  that  they could  give  a  general                                                                   
idea.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:27:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki  understood.  Separately,  he  noted                                                                   
that  DMVA had  presented  to the  committee  earlier in  the                                                                   
day.  He asked  about the  transfer of  the Alaska  Aerospace                                                                   
Corporation  to DMVA  from DCCED  in  2011. He  asked if  the                                                                   
department had an opinion on the issue.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Parady  answered  that  the   department's  coordinating                                                                   
relationship   with   DMVA   was    good;   the   departments                                                                   
coordinated  closely  on  emergency   response  and  disaster                                                                   
preparation primarily  through the Division of  Community and                                                                   
Regional    Affairs.    The   department's    held    regular                                                                   
coordinating meetings  and he was not aware  of a significant                                                                   
operational problem.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kawasaki noted  that the  previous March  the                                                                   
governor  had  instructed  AEA,   AIDEA,  and  AHFC  to  work                                                                   
towards a consolidating effort. He asked for an update.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Parady   replied   that  the  work   was  ongoing.   The                                                                   
administrative  order study was  complete and under  internal                                                                   
review. The recommendations  were anticipated in  a matter of                                                                   
weeks.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Gara  noted  the marijuana  initiative  had  been                                                                   
projected  to produce  $12 million  annually  in tax  revenue                                                                   
for the  state. He  observed that  the revenue was  currently                                                                   
far  below that  number.  He  asked if  AMCO  had  a role  in                                                                   
licensing applicants in larger communities.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parady  answered that  it was  premature to  characterize                                                                   
the tax revenue  as falling short. The program  had only been                                                                   
in  operation  for  three months.  He  believed  the  revenue                                                                   
figure he had  provided earlier in the meeting  was generated                                                                   
on  somewhere  around 85  pounds  of  sales. He  thought  the                                                                   
"rest of the  picture remains to reveal itself."  There was a                                                                   
state  component  of  licensing   in  addition  to  municipal                                                                   
licensing.  For   example,  Anchorage  had  its   own  office                                                                   
addressing municipal  perspectives on licensing.  He believed                                                                   
that  was where  the question  about usage  and public  space                                                                   
fell. He would follow up with more detail.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:30:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  referred to  slide  10.  She did  not                                                                   
understand  why  the chart  did  not  show a  breakdown.  She                                                                   
pointed to  the $6  million in UGF  compared to  $10,000 DGF.                                                                   
She  observed   that  most  of   the  costs  were   going  to                                                                   
municipalities  for assistance they  may need. She  asked why                                                                   
the state was not charging back to bring the number down.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parady answered  that the GF appropriation  of $6,547,300                                                                   
supported a range  of activities in local  governments across                                                                   
the  state. For  example, the  department ran  the Office  of                                                                   
State  Assessor, the  Local Boundary  Commission, the  Alaska                                                                   
Native  Language  and  Preservation Council,  the  Bulk  Fuel                                                                   
Revolving  Loan  Program,  and  the  Rural  Utility  Business                                                                   
Advisor  Program (federally  funded).  The  department had  a                                                                   
constitutional  duty to  support  local  governments and  the                                                                   
Division of Community  and Regional Affairs was  the home for                                                                   
those   activities   that   had   been   historically   state                                                                   
supported. He stated  he would leave it to  the legislature's                                                                   
judgement as to the continuation of the support.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Wilson  believed   the  legislature   should                                                                   
support local government,  but she also believed  fees should                                                                   
be charged when  possible. A breakdown of funds  was the only                                                                   
way the legislature  could understand where the  state may be                                                                   
able to  get some  of the  fees back  for services  rendered.                                                                   
She  referenced   indirect  expenditures.   She  added   that                                                                   
sometimes when services  were free everyone would  take them,                                                                   
which was not necessarily the case when there was a cost.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Seaton  noted the subcommittee  would work  with the                                                                   
department to identify any shared expenditures.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Seaton addressed the agenda for the following day.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:33:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:33 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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FY18 (H) FIN DMVA Overview FINAL.pdf HFIN 1/31/2017 1:30:00 PM
DMVA Budget Overview HFIN
01.31.2017 DCCED - HFIN Department Overview.pdf HFIN 1/31/2017 1:30:00 PM
DCCED Budget Overview HFIN
FY18 House Finance - Final.pdf HFIN 1/31/2017 1:30:00 PM
UA Budget Overview HFIN